I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Cut him some slack. bob saunders Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? July 15, 2016 October 4, 2005 He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! December 24, 2001 What an interesting parallel, huh? I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. support. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Stu Baron As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Raymond Malcuit The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Mickey liked his doughnuts. He had terrific stuff. Rusty played another decade. feat fan But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. =Chuck= October 19, 2011 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. 170 lbs.? Randy Tate Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. pete 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. With the NFL regular season quickly approaching lets cheer on our 2009 Lake Orion High School graduate and current Safety for the Dallas Cowboys JEFF HEATH! Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. April 23, 2003 As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. =Chuck= Bobster1985 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. NYB Buff Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. Bob P Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. We are going all the way!" The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Mr. Sparkle May 7, 2013 The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. March 5, 2006 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. December 13, 2007 July 15, 2016 Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Shickhaus Franks Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Mickey Lolich Making Doughnuts (Original Caption) Lake Orion, Mich.: Mickey Lolich, hero of the 1968 World Series, that brought Detroit its last championship, is now a seccessful doughnut shop owner and baker. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Mr. Sparkle Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. November 3, 2006 Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. August 11, 2015 Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. October 2, 2005 Shickhaus Franks Siop Shop,53 Tib St, Manchester M4 1LS. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. Cut him some slack. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. body would be a pretty slender person. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. October 19, 2011 So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. No contest. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. He later resurfaced with the Padres. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. ''There were a couple of things when I was a player that bothered me,'' Lolich said. After one year in New York Lolich retired. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. June 30, 2019 support. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. End of Line As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. April 6, 2012 Raymond Malcuit Jr. Joe The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. April 23, 2003 Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Shickhaus Franks But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. LA-Mets He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. March 22, 2005 Max Power He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Raymond Malcuit Not that THAT did squat for the Mets! God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. support. Late 1930s was then purchased and ran by Gus Kalohn and his 2 sons Pete & Paul (Gus' Steakhouse) into the '80s. Max Power LA-Mets As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Shari snook He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. December 20, 2019 According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. The point is he made a bad team worse. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. August 7, 2018 I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Shari Peter Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. I don't know, but I love this story: A couple years ago, my buddy was working on the new Cardinals Stadium in St. Louis and he kept telling all the Cards fans there that their '68 team got beat 3 times by a donut salesman! Stu Baron Jamey Bumbalo Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. May 25, 2001 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. (thankfully returning in '81). Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. June 30, 2019 April 23, 2003 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. October 18, 2008 He later came back to play for the Padres. In 1971-72, when Thomas was the star running back of the Dallas Cowboys' Super Bowl VI team, he was known as the Sphinx, the man who not only refused to talk to the press but also barely spoke to his teammates and coaches. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Mike B May 7, 2013 Shickhaus Franks October 19, 2011 to the Village of Leonard. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. March 5, 2006 August 7, 2018 He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. He had terrific stuff. December 8, 2006 He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. December 13, 2007 However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Donut Shops Beverages Restaurants. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. June 11, 2003 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Bartolo Colon etc). The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. NYB Buff 170 lbs.? And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. mets HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Shari April 27, 2013 December 8, 2006 October 2, 2005 bogeyman Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Cut him some slack. March 22, 2005 They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. 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