You might want to check the original language in that verse, because it actually says You shall keep him, singular, not them plural. In verse three it refers to head as chief or lord (God the Father is head of Christ, Christ is head of man, and man is head of woman). 22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart. Thats why the overwhelming vast majority of our earliest Greek manuscripts come from one of the driest climates on the planet: Egypt. The article was excellent and I appreciate the effort you put into compiling the information. Almost all of the oldest manuscripts we have are of the Alexandrian text type, probably due to the climate in the location where they are typically found (Alexandrian is in Egypt, and their dry climate is ideal for preservation.) O Jerusalem, EDIT: I finally got around to writing an article on the topic, which you can read here. 5 Because of the devastation of the afflicted, because of the groaning of the needy, But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christby grace you have been saved and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness towards us in Christ Jesus. More importantly, its patently unbiblical. I believe she got more. So if the Confessional Position wants to say the Textus Receptus was perfectly preserved by God and inerrant, then then we must ask: which Textus Receptus? You need to ask which of the 27 possible versions they will pick, because none of them are identical with another. I dont know what to tell you to change your mind. He examined eighteen editions of the Textus Receptus to find the correct Greek rendering, and made the changes to his Greek text. It is regarded as the oldest extant (existing) Greek copy of the Bible, and has been dated the early-mid 4th century. I believe this is the same viewpoint you use when dealing with the text issue. It literally broke my heart and almost devastated my faith in Bible translations. Further and I cant stress this enough there is more to the Majority Text theory than simply counting manuscripts. the KJV], Scrivener in his reconstructed and edited text used as his starting point the Beza edition of 1598, identifying the places where the English text had different readings from the Greek. For those who believe that divine authority rests in the original text, and not in readings created by copyists, this is not a good idea. Eusebius, Church historian of the same era, recorded that many Scriptures were burned during the Diocletian persecution. The Bible: 66 books vs 73 and Why (the Apocrypha Explained), Lobegott Friedrich Constantin (von) Tischendorf, You can read Tischendorfs entire account of finding it in his own words here. For the other half, Scrivener was usually able to find corresponding Greek readings in the editions of Erasmus, or in theComplutensian Polyglot. Repentance is a gift of God that is the sorrow of heart for past sins leading to a change of heart concerning the direction you intend to follow in the future (Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; Acts 20:21; Acts 26:20; Romans 2:4; II Corinthians 7:10; II Timothy 2:25; II Peter 3:9). Westcott & Hort believed that any place where those two manuscripts agreed: should be accepted as the true readings until strong internal evidence is found to the contrary,. This accidental skipping could account for a very significant portion of the longer Byzantine Textual Variants. Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev) notes: However, that is not the case, as Erasmus had been collating Greek texts for at least two years. 18. To be clear, the theory of Reasoned Eclecticism is very sound; its the application of it (thus far) that leaves something to be desired. Professor Emeritus, Near Eastern Studies, University of Toronto. Again, it takes its name from a confession of faith. Served as President of the International Organization for Septuagint and Cognate Studies. There are good mathematical reasons (which well look at) for this method. Did God Preserve the Scriptures Perfectly in All Ages? . If you heard it read, youd realize its an easy mistake to make because they sound almost identical. Again, the Westcott & Hort Critical Text is the grandfather of nearly all modern Bibles, KJV and NKJV excepted. In the Textual Criticism of Homers works, we see excellent parallels with the New Testament, even so far as reproducing similar text types. I think how you can see how they get the Doctrine of Preservation, but it seems quite a stretch. However, the originals were copied many, many times. You will stand and give account for spreading the lies that you and these so-called scholars have preached as the truth. 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. In the Vulgate, we find over half of the Alexandrian readings. In fact, it was Roman policy to destroy Biblical manuscripts at one time. Thus your eye jumps from 1 Comfort, yes, comfort My people! The Doctrine of Preservation of Scripture is the foundation problem that exists with those who question the authority of the Bible. 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. The KJV is a translation of an edition of the Greek New Testament text called the Textus Receptus. One issue, a minor one, the majority of Greek manuscripts show the content of Romans 16:25-27 actually belongs in 14:24-26. Perhaps you could address that in any amended versions or separately. texto masortico vs septuaginta pdf Facebook. The modern NA27 and NA28 are closer to Westcott & Horts 1881 text than the NA25. If youd like to read a longer treatment of this topic, I highly recommend this article. You explain things very clearly. Vs pregnant woman Variants must never be treated in isolation, but always considered in the context of the tradition. Daniel B. Wallace says, Revelation was copied less often than any other book of the NT, and yet Irenaeus admits that it was already corrupted within just a few decades of the writing of the Apocalypse, Theres an argument to be made that the Alexandrian Text type was corrupted very early. How many such readings are there? The first is the successive discoveries of manuscripts at Qumran by the Dead Sea since 1947. About the myth of Erasmus backtranslation, this site references some sources: 15 But Thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, long suffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth. It gets copied and ends up in other manuscripts. To support this statement, White appealed to Kurt & Barbara Alands similar statement: Once a variant or a new reading enters the tradition it refuses to disappear, persisting (if only in a few manuscripts) and perpetuating itself through the centuries. But I find your interpretation of Psalms 12, while correct in a literal sense, wrong in a prophetical sense. Up until then, the original NIV was my Bible. He taught English on CBC TV 'Let's Speak English'. You who bring good tidings, The one thing I will mention is Hort at least was motivated to eliminate the Textus Receptus from the public eye, as he considered it vile. However, truly understand these verses, we need to consider the context. Again, the odds of all those scribes making the same error is vanishingly low. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man; 9 for man wasnt created for the woman, but woman for the man. More recent manuscript findings have proved this wrong, but more on that later. (Youll know this is especially true of Greek if youve read my A Few Fun Things About Biblical (Koine) Greek article) Another example: perhaps one document will only have Christ and another only has Jesus. Yet the conclusions of Homeric scholarship based on a transmissional-historical approach stand in sharp contrast to those of NT eclecticism: We have to assume that the original was a medium [= vulgate] text The longer texts were gradually shaken out: if there had been free trade in long, medium, and short copies at all periods, it is hard to see how this process could have commenced. The Majority Text position does have some strong arguments for it. (Note: there are some who are near militant on the importance of the Confessional Position. I supplied the Greek out of our Latin version. (Only 1:35 long, starting at about 0:53). So, in short, the humanist way of analyzing is starting from the human and moving to God. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. <p>Novum Testamentum Graece / Greek New Testament In . Its simplicity itself, but under-girding that simplicity is profound sophistication. References have been made to other textual platforms, such as Nestle-Aland Critical Text, the Majority Text and Textus Receptus. The Longer Ending of Mark (16:9-20); Was it Original or Added? One has to wonder why we have the WEB, when we have a New American Standard Bible updating the ASV. The Feminist in Pauls day shaved their heads too. Further the Majority Text theory could be in trouble if it could be proven that large chunks of manuscripts were lost. Thats much closer to an answer. The Confessional view holds that God must have preserved the scriptures completely without error. David, you start out with a possible assumption and elevate it to obstacles and odds that need to be overcome. No Christian doctrine is omitted from the Alexandrian text, but some appear strengthened in the Byzantine text. However, the examples leave out one very important factor (which well get to in a moment. (Note: The following is regarding the Alexandrian Text type manuscripts.). (Please send me an email via the contact page if you find some.). While the name was originally only applied to the 1633 printing of Elzevirs Greek text, it eventually came to include all of them. So in the text types of Homer, you have: Among scholars, theres little doubt that the medium text type of Homer is the original, while the short is the result of scholarly revision. Okay, answering in order then: No, no, not quite since theres the Holy Spirit, no, and because the NASB 95 has superior translation which makes it overall better than other translations based on texts which you might consider superior. But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus; But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved); And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Thus, they felt free to ignore them (as weve already discussed). Thanks again and God bless you. I will devote no more space to it in this article because I dont think it relevant, and only mentioned it for completeness. You will find more additions than subtractions. And His work before Him. The Majority Text isnt perfect, and there are places where adjustments need to be made based on the evidence. NETS, New English Translation of the Septuagint Accessed March 26, 2011, 2. The reading that explains the existence of other readings should be preferred. A reading combining two simple, alternative readings is later than the two readings comprising the combination. The Textus Receptus is a 16th century Greek New Testament on which the King James Bible is based (in the New Testament). Further, we have relatively few Western text type manuscripts. Very helpful articles. This should warn us to beware of novel theories broached by Bengel and to examine with more than normal diligence statements made by him in support of such theories. The Westminster Confession of Faith & The Doctrine of Preservation. We just dont know what they used. It is easier to read than the ASV, yet the WEB stays close to the Rock of Biblical Honesty. Theres no problem with confessions of faith in general. These four are often called the Great Uncial Manuscripts). When do you think the church lost the true preserved Word of God? (One of the major places they differ is in The Johannine Comma of 1 John 5:7-8, and theres an article about whether it was added or removed right here on Berean Patriot. For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.. I believe the Verbatim Identicality position was an unfortunate overreach in response to text critics in the late 1800s. Now, lets look at how they compare to each other, and how much they agree with each other. Quote; Link to comment Share on other sites. However while I would certainly give them more weight because of the consistency, Im certainly not inclined to trust them mechanically. Again, Westcott and Hort were mistaken as nearly all major textual variants had appeared before the year 200. While as, in the rest of the New Testament, it is largely Alexandrian. In reality, the distribution is never that perfect. It simply means He has promised to preserve His Word for His true church in every generation. The only limitation is if someone change the words in the WEB to create a new translation. This disproportionate copying could be a good thing, as we saw in the section on whether scribes copied better manuscripts. You did warn us it was long. These divisions arent hard and fast, but rather provide a framework to talk about the different Textual Variants. Im not. He said, Search the Scriptures. They do a bit of tap-dancing in their Introduction to the NT indicating theyve taken a different route than Westcott & Hort. The Confessional Position maintains that God must have perfectly preserved the Bible pure in all ages. This position takes its name from where it starts: a confession of faith. (Also known as the Authorized Version, or AV for short.). (And many of these variants would be spelling errors. (as shown in the article) Further, which Textus Receptus should we use? I see that you are emphasizing carefully the word perfect preservation of Scripture. Further, many of those differences are too subtle to even translate. I think if you want to be a textual critic. These two documents are rather flawed, especially Sinaiticus. Yes, thats the book for me, A particular reading signifies one that is most definitely false. ), For an example, lets say were copying the shortest book of the New Testament, 3 John with 219 words (in Greek). Are you aware that the Received Text (Textus Receptus) is essentially a 16th century Critical Text? To think God will preserve scripture while feeling He has made no promise to do it equals wishful thinking. If he should draw back, my soul has no pleasure in him: but the just shall live by my faith. Now this is the Word (Jesus yet again) which by the gospel was preached to you. 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