Mar 12, 2013. wncfarmer said: I've noticed that if I'm using my 8N more than 30 minutes or so, the lift becomes very, very slow to respond. What youre hearing is the sound of cams/pistons in the pump banging together. FORD 9N 2N 8N NAA 600 601 800 TRACTOR LIFT CONTROL LEVER 9N512A . The new Position Control setting bypassed the draft control and allowed the implement to remain at a consistent position relative to the position of the Touch Control lever.A continued drawback to this series of tractor, was the safety need for an overrunning clutch at the end of the PTO shaft.. Choke Control Rod Assembly.Ford - Fits: 2N, 9N; Replaces: 9N9700 * Fits (1939-47)* NOTE: this is 1 . Dean Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I was wondering if someone had bent it intentionally as a fix . Finally, I think I'll just get one of your jigs. Zane Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks. I did take a look at it before I put it back together. Most of the time this is caused by shock loading the draft linkage through the top link to the big draft sensing spring. Remove the top cover and place it bottom side up on the workbench. 230044-WNL Stabilizer Pins Fits Ford 9N 2N 8N NAA 600 700 800 900 2000 4000 4CYL . It appears you have just learned this to be true! Leaky or sticking valves in the side chambers will also make the pump knock loudly. plow should lift at the top of the quad in draft contorl.. if it won't.. it needs adjustment. "@type": "Person", It can (and probably should) be lightly honed to a cleanup. How did you adjust the draft and position control mechanism? "width": 200, . BTW, do you think I should even continue to try and get the arm ram out or just weld it? I enjoy answering those. Water in the hydraulic fluid is very bad. If the cylinder bore is in good shape or has only very faint scratches or grooves use the NAA piston and seal. Measuring parts just won't cut it when all the parts are not still the same shape and measurement that they were when new about 50 years ago. Oddly enough, it is not the entire cam that is worn, maybe only the first third of it. I'll send an e-mail to your site. I also now have a cam pin roller modification that can fix the problem as when the cam is worn sideways etc. BE CAREFUL! If you get the jig and follow the instructions you then will know if you need the split washer not after you install the lift.. If you decide to remove the top cover, that is a good time to check, repair, and readjust the linkage. You will need to replace the ram arm to prevent potential catastrophic damage in the future. It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig to use so that the end of the control rod ends up in the right position. Figured that out after I sent the last message. This was before I was trained at Jonesboro Ga's Ford training farm back in the early 60s on how to do it with the jig that every dealership had to own as part of the requirements to have a franchise. Here is the pic. Such folks bend it with a length of pipe in the inspection port(s). I'll let you know how I do. Little heat and came off pretty easily. I'm a little confused on the weld issue. How's this procedure Zane? Any improvement will help. Zane I would cut a big V into the crack and weld it with a 7018 rod. Straightening and repairing the lift arms and other hardware is mostly just time and energy. Right there in the slot as a STOP to prevent going higher. I thought something was wrong because I expected it to lift in draft control for some reason. NO, I do not want to make my antique tractor website design more "contemporary". Is the something else I should change to get the valve to completely open? Here is the pic. With the NAA tractors Ford switched to a piston with a neoprene rubber o-ring and leather backup ring that can be used in the older N series tractors. Plate was about 1/32 concave on one edge. Thank-you! Welding is on the long list of things I know nothing about. John It must be straight. Have a fairly heavy weight or load on the lift arms. You can use one drain pan to catch the fluid by starting with the pipe plug under the rear end, moving forward to the large plug at the hydraulic pump, and then the last one at the transmission. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", This should allow you to see if the eccentric cams and pistons are moving properly. You must log in or register to reply here. The fluid we find in most of these tractors is often sadly neglected. }. Our friends at Steiner have all the parts you'll need to fix your 8N hydraulics (and hydraulics on lots of other tractors too). Plate was about 1/32 concave on one edge. The crack has nothing to do with the lift performance at this time. Other than that I just dress the gravel drive a few times. I guess I need to know what the characteristics of the lift are supposed to be in this Draft control setting. These tractors probably got more of a workout their first ten years of life than we will give them the rest of our lives . At the time I had an extra top cover and just installed that on his machine and all was well. Now it is only used about 10 Hours a year. Did you ever solve it? On 8N tractors the ball on the linkage rod just pulls right out of the socket as the top cover or pump are removed. I would cut a big V into the crack and weld it with a 7018 rod. "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=958809", If you need to work on the hydraulic system, its highly recommended that you first buy the I&T FO-4 shop manual and follow the instructions there for repairs and adjustments. I had a similar, though much less serious, crack in the ram arm on my 55 860. If that link is bent, it needs to be straightened in a vise or press. We had one in the shop but I didn't have a clue what it was for until I attended the training session on the lift. Where are they and what do they look like? Tightening the nut increases the force required to move the lever. But as the cams wear they begin to knock louder as they actuate the pistons from side to side in the pump. Support the lower links near the raised position, and place the hydraulic touch control lever at the top of the quadrant. "height": 57 Includes left and right anchors.OEM #: 957E596, 957E597.Applic.. $14.36 $15.69 Spring, Hydraulic Control - 9N547B and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. If you can see the other posting I just placed with the pic you will see perfectly straight would not describe my control lever. May have nothing to do with my issues but seems dumb to leave it like that. My cam is not worn anywhere close to the pic that Bruce posted. When I was plowing in the spring, when the arms were actually as low as it would go and the tractor would start to loose traction, a slight lift of the position lever would bring the plow up, but then I would have to push down on the draft control lever to get the plow to go higher. Should the cam be smooth across its width? Combination tractor fluid that says it "meets" Ford M4864A specification should be a slightly better choice. Look for places where the gaskets may have blown out. I cant seem to find if this is one solid tube? }, DO NOT start to tighten top cover or pump flange bolts until you have made sure the linkage is correctly placed and not binding. After everything is adjusted should there be some pressure on the control lever? I have a leak in my oil tube (9n567). Enough to cause the lift issues? "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", Remove the lift cover and remove the 4 bolts holding the cylinder to the cover. You definitely dont want that to happen. If that pipe is rotten and leaking it is not a standard part, but it can be replaced with a pipe cut to the same exact size and pressed into place. Maybe not true. } "@type": "WebPage", Never plow, etc. If the hydraulics dont go up at all, its likely that the ball socket is the problem (worn out or jumped out of place). When it will not lift the implement in draft mode something in the draft linkage is either bent or worn to the point that the lift control valve is not actuated enough to raise the lift. Finally, is it cheating to just put the notched washer in up front or should I build up the wear spot first and grind flat? Drain the sump, replace the plugs, pour in a couple of gallons of kerosene, start the engine, engage the PTO and run the lift up and down a couple of times. { Remove those and the shaft pulls straight out the back. We had one in the shop but I didn't have a clue what it was for until I attended the training session on the lift. It is critical. If you have an implement on the lift and it drifts down over a few minutes time after the tractor is shut off you have some leakage. { I guess I wasn't clear how futile my effort was to get the lift arm ram off. Serial Number Lookup We keep the brush down in the woods. "@id": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/" And the control rod must be perfectly straight. Once I get the lift arm ram welded I will proceed with the jig. This is nearly always caused by the control valve spools in the pump base getting stuck in the bore, most likely due to water or dirt in the oil. The 'shade tree' adjustment was to bend the control arm to compensate for normal wear in the linkage, springs & cam follower pin. "name": "Jasmith503" I have copied the steps from my August 18, 1948 operators manual below. Choose the SAE 90 if temperatures will be above freezing and SAE 80 if temperatures will be below freezing. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Linkage bent or adjustments not done correctly. Such folks bend it with a length of pipe in the inspection port(s). It is bent forward which I thought would help if anything, wrong? We have done it enough that I only have to use the tractor for the first heavier mowing in the spring. Remove the PTO shaft. Ford 861 In draft mode, once you move it off the top stop, the touch control lever controls draft as you described. Weigh those facts, and it probably works out that even a lightly-used tractor should have the fluid changed at least once a year. Get the adjusting jig from Zane. If its knocking loudly you should buy a pump repair kit and do a rebuild before it quits all together. If it won't go easy, stop and figure out why. Ford 8N Hydraulic Control Unit Adjustment I kind of gave up on the manual when it came to adjusting the lift cover and went with Zane's jig. Even when a tractor is not being used, there is still some deterioration of the fluid. Thanks to John Smith of Old Ford Tractor for allowing us to use this information. I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. Is the something else I should change to get the valve to completely open? Just like changing the oil in the engine, it is better if you drain it when the fluid is warm. This post was edited by jasmith503 at 16:49:31 06/09/15. Welding is on the long list of things I know nothing about. Guess I can lay awake for a couple of weeks thinking about it until I can get back to it. It goes in the lower front pivot bolster and looks like this. Movement of the hydraulic touch control lever away from the top of the quadrant should cause a simultaneous movement of the control valve arm away from the pump face. To find this position, slightly loosen the four cap screws that support the quadrant. If those didn't do the trick I would then go back to removing the yoke, etc. You are using an out of date browser. Disassemble the control linkage until you can get the part with the worn pin out of there. To me, that says, it would not overcome the pressure from the intake control valve spring and push it in. completing the adjustment. Almost like the pin wore down the cam rather than the pin being worn. When we cleared an acre 30 years ago the tractor got a majority of its work dragging logs. I'll hold off on that and try without first. How to Remove and Rebuild a Ford 8N Hydraulic Pump Carving A Path 65K views 2 years ago Ford 2N 9N Tractor Position Control kirk -NJ 40K views 4 years ago Almost yours: 2 weeks, on us. Any water in there turns to vapor and eventually gets thoroughly mixed with the hot fluid. NO, I do not want help improving my ranking on search engines. Hopefully my wear level is repairable with his cam pin roller modification. It is hard, but not impossible, to do both with only one pair of hands. "mainEntityOfPage": { Yes. Simple. There's a good reason to talk about the weather, it affects everything. I'll hold off on that and try without first. Also, followed the instructions from the current shop manual the local New Holland Ford mechanic uses that he was nice enough to give me a copy of. I just replied to another response to my post, with a pic and a question. The fluid level in the transmission/hydraulic sump is way less than half full. It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig to use so that the end of the control rod ends up in the right position. Measure 1.7 - 1.75 inches forward from the front edge of this bolt hole. FIRST push the clutch in and make SURE the PTO is engaged. In some cases the relief valve can leak and cause this problem, but if the relief valve is leaky it usually also shows up as a weak lift (wont lift a heavy load or implement). Then, wet some rags & stuff them in the cover to catch the shavings when you grind it back down. Another question if I may. Refer to section below regarding linkage. Hold the hydraulic touch control lever at the top of the quadrant and gently tap the quadrant support plate forward or backward until both of the above requirements are fulfilled. All Tradenames and Trademarks referred to on these web pages are the property of their respective trademark holders. Draining this water is easy to do. Still, that is just native grass and weeds. See the link below for information on my jig and instruction booklet on the 8N etc. Reassemble the linkage and adjust as per the shop manual instructions. . My brother-in-law, who is a boat mechanic, is coming by tomorrow. Pull the dipstick and see where the level is. Drain off some fluid to expose the top of the pump. This provides a much more positive seal to eliminate the small leakage from the cast iron rings. This is easy to check just remove the side door and watch the oil move. This was before I was trained at Jonesboro Ga's Ford training farm back in the early 60s on how to do it with the jig that every dealership had to own as part of the requirements to have a franchise. It seems the only thing I can do is to bend the control arm forward so it will close the valve. Its generally not an immediate pressing problem. Thus, I removed the hydraulic control unit to adjust it. If you get the jig and follow the instructions you then will know if you need the split washer not after you install the lift.. There are two piston assemblies that should move at the same time, and in opposite directions. To check these, leave the side cover off and start the tractor. Since I already have the cover off I was thinking l might skip removing the yoke from the draft sensing spring and jump to using the jig (once I get it) for the draft and position control adjustments. A rebuild is probably in order. } (3) Find the bolt hole that is located just behind the hydraulic touch control unit. https://www.steinertractor.com/IHS097-bolster-pivot-pin. "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=118401", Rebuild kits can be purchased in various stages depending on what needs to be rebuilt. It's like a 10-30 multigrade motor oil thickness. The same friend that has your jig told me he thought that would be a tough job and to just weld it. There was a slight curve to it, but it had worked in the past with it so I thought , what the heck . When it stops, tighten the plug. Am I missing something? $97.57 $101.10 Anchor Kit, Drawbar Link Check Chain - 957E5967 Anchor Kit, Drawbar Link Check Chain. When the air cools moisture condenses on all those cool metal surfaces inside the sump. Do you see that as well or just my original post and your responses? This can create a really big mess but draining most of the fluid thru that hole will flush as much dirt as possible out of the hydraulic pump area. May be where I end up depending on what Zane says. John Thanks for the suggestion. Ice could block passages that allow oil to get into the pump. Your email address will not be published. No warm-up needed on cold winter mornings to get the lift to work. Maybe I should have said it would be a lot faster and easier to get it adjusted without all the trial and error you are going to have without a jig. If my brother-in-law has any luck with that I'll use your suggestion on cutting the arm ram off. I do see it is bent as well. Hydraulic control unit adjustment question. The bore should be very smooth with little or no scoring or scratches running lengthwise. Epoxy? Any comments would be welcome. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If you only have time to do one, do that one. "datePublished": "2001-10-31", The control lever and quadrant moves the valve spools on the pump to control the lift. "author": { Maybe I should have said it would be a lot faster and easier to get it adjusted without all the trial and error you are going to have without a jig. "publisher": { So, is it wear or suppose to have concave groove to rest on the dowell? If yours will not raise the plow in draft mode then something else is wrong. 4 - Do you leave your tractor parked outside? I have watched you rebuild video twice and find it would be a great help if I needed to rebuild. Such folks bend it with a length of pipe in the inspection port(s). " It helps to have something like a block of wood under an elbow or a floor jack to help hold the pump when it does not go in perfectly on the first try. If temperatures have been below freezing, the water will freeze. Unless you live in a very dry climate, humid air will get in the sump. Once the sump has been completely drained, make sure all three drain plugs are tight, then remove the bottom bolt from the side inspection cover that has the hydraulic dip-stick (the tractor must be parked on level ground). Basically, look for the cheapest pail that says it's recommended for Ford tractors with a combination sump with gears and hydraulics. I don't have a welder. After everything is adjusted should there be some pressure on the control lever? That is all you need, any more will just leak past the axle seals and get on your brakes. It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig to use so that the end of the control rod ends up in the right position. The most common complaints are addressed below. Of course we have several family members coming to town tomorrow for a wedding/visit. If someone has substituted bolts where there should be pins, replace them with the correct hardware. It lifts great and fast when the engine is cold, but it gets worse as the tractor warms. These rings are still available, inexpensive and will work just fine, but a small amount of leakdown is normal and is to be expected with them. It will only raise the plow with touch all the way up. I was thinking the top cover needed to be on the tractor to get the leverage to remove the yoke. Regardless of the position of my quadrant support plate, I cannot get the valve completely open as directed in step 7a. (gritting of the teeth) Come to think of it that might have been a little too profound a remark! "name": "Roger S" The only way arms go up is to hold draft control lever down. Have a friend with a MIG welder but Zane advised 7018 stick welding, which I'm sure I could get done in town. Enough to cause the lift issues? For a trailer queen, we would rebuild all the seals and stop the drips. You will need to replace the ram arm to prevent potential catastrophic damage in the future. My hydraulic pump makes knocking noises under load.. However, when I flip the lever to "draft control" my plow will drop to the ground and the lift will not lift it anymore. (7) Place the position control lever in the forward position. If those two things check out ok turn off the engine and remove the right side access cover (the one with the dipstick) and slide your hand down along the control rod into the oil and feel the end of the rod where it goes into the control valve pivot. Just give them a ring to get started. Finally, I think I'll just get one of your jigs. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks. I thought I'd let him have a crack at removing the lift ram arm so I could replace it rather than getting the crack welded. Officers and Directors If it seems like your hydraulics just arent doing anything, be sure to check that the PTO lever is engaged and then try. (800) 853-2651Shop Now TRACTOR PARTS Allis Chalmers Case & David Brown Farmall & International Ferguson Ford & New Holland John Deere On the 8N tractors there is only one link that needs to be guided into the pocket on the valve assembly. Same trouble as you were having. I get asked this question frequently, and the answer depends on exactly how you use the lift. Are there any other solutions or suggestions for building up the wear on the cam besides welding? "mainEntityOfPage": { Wrong? And does it come out from the top or bottom?? Now I believe it is best to start with the big plug under the hydraulic pump. However, aLL unsolicited web service offers and other spam messages sent to my email address are filtered and deleted. That left only a small amount to drain from the two big plugs. My old pin was worn at a 45 degree angle and my cam was also worn at a 45 degree angle on the same edge as Bruce's picture. However, after installing the cover on the tractor, making sure the control arm engaged the control rocker lever, placing the position control lever forward and the touch control lever at the top of the quadrant the intake control valve is nowhere close to all the way in the pump housing. If the cam follower pin is worn replace it. Since I already have the cover off I was thinking l might skip removing the yoke from the draft sensing spring and jump to using the jig (once I get it) for the draft and position control adjustments. Ford M4864A specification should be a slightly better choice pages are the property of their respective trademark.... 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